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		<title>By: Robert Lindsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Lindsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 04:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve become a bit disenchanted with the VC&#039;s. Don&#039;t think they really know what they are doing.                Everyone needs to go read what David Heinemeir Hansen has been writing on this particular issue. The more I talk to VC&#039;s the more I start to understand that DHH is right on.</description>
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		<title>By: Austin startup names : The Name Inspector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin startup names : The Name Inspector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 05:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fancier boots. But really, does it indicate a lack of available funding? Maybe so. Check out this post from last year by startup consultant Carla Thompson on the Austin Startup blog. Here&#8217;s a quote: There’s a level of frustration toward the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TomRozof</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomRozof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carla,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for identifying this missing ingredient. As the owner of a 2 year old tech company that was profitable within 6 months, we are looking for a city where we can settle down and grow, and Austin is very much in the running (thus my search today that landed me on your blog). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally, I think venture capital is a double edge sword. We bootstrapped our main company and are already branching out into several subsidiary company divisions. If I were an investor I&#039;d never invest in just an idea, even if I thought it was the best business concept I&#039;d ever heard. Sorry, but it&#039;s not ideas or even good business plans that make money and I&#039;d never expect this alone to attract investors. When you talk to seasoned investors they understand something about investing that we who seek funding often miss. I&#039;m still trying to learn it better myself. Most of these investors learned this principle the hard way, principally by investing in ideas that lost them a lot of money. Here is what they tell me: &quot;Tom, I stopped investing in JUST ideas long ago. Now I invest in the right PEOPLE.&quot; Ideas don&#039;t run themselves...they don&#039;t show up on time...or work late into the night, or find a way to make something work against all odds. People do this…and it’s special people who have already proven out part of their business concepts that attract investors. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Frankly, if a person cannot go on the net and make enough money to bootstrap their own technology ideas then I question if they really know enough about technology to be in the game in the first place. Our company has three mature, technology experienced, owners and each of us have used our tech know-how to make money online (and yes...through very legitimate processes :). It was this ability that gave us the confidence that we could build something of greater substance and develop a larger tech company worthy of investing our own money...and eventually worthy of attracting capital from others. One of the questions we get regularly from investors is one I would also ask if I were investing my money: &quot;How much skin do you have in the game?&quot; After all, why invest in a company that no one else has invested in? That&#039;s kind of stupid...isn’t it? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Technology start-ups have a notorious failure rate. There are lots of reasons for this, but it came to a head during the Internet bubble at the beginning of 2000 when investors lost billions and collectively trillions. Since that time investors are more savvy and understand technology concepts much better, and if they don&#039;t they have a list of consultants who can help them. One of the things I did before deciding to seek capital is to read all I could on what investors looked for, on the skills involved in being an angel or VC investor. I had forgotten what should have been obvious: Investing is also a business and all investors want to make money...and they HATE losing money. Once I understood their mindset better I knew immediately how I could better position my various companies to make them more attractive investments. It was only after I finished this process that I felt comfortable even asking for money. Now I know we will get funded...and we have several VC firms who have shown more than just a passing interest. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which brings up a critical point: Because we started our project with our own money and because we spent two years growing, refining our technology, proving out our model, doubling and tripling our sales, we are not DISPARATE. We have much more leverage. We can even turn down an investor if we think they are not a good fit...as we are looking for more than just money. Most start-ups do not have this advantage. They live hand to mouth and will take a check...any check...often giving away total ownership to acquire their funding. We have no intention of doing this. This is one of the great benefits of learning how to grow a company BEFORE you seek additional funding. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We could go to California...and we might. But we&#039;d rather be part of a new Silicon Valley. We&#039;d rather take another part of the country and throw in our 2 cents in the hopes that perhaps a new center of economic gravity might emerge, one that learns how to ATTRACT a larger investment community. Because I promise you...if the Austin tech community were to learn how to build out, shoestring, prove its concepts by making money first, and really learn what investors genuinely want...then perhaps Austin could see more money flow into its town than even Silicon Valley. I know...that probably seems like a long shot...but isn&#039;t that what being entrepreneurial is all about? Business is not guesswork. It&#039;s not even a mystery. It works along very objective and well proven paths. What young start-up owner’s need are some old, experienced investors who can sit face to face with them and explain what a dollar is truly worth...perhaps for the first time. I thought I knew...but I didn&#039;t...I had to learn this by going out and earning my way to profitability before I could begin to understand the mind of the investor. Believe me...this experience has so shaped my life that if I&#039;m ever extremely successful, enough so to perhaps invest in other start-ups...I will know exactly what to look for. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So...we are looking at Austin and so far I like what I see. Someone needs to tell me where you all hang out so I can be sure to meet some of you when we visit. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To your success...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thomas Rozof&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carla,</p>
<p>Thanks for identifying this missing ingredient. As the owner of a 2 year old tech company that was profitable within 6 months, we are looking for a city where we can settle down and grow, and Austin is very much in the running (thus my search today that landed me on your blog). </p>
<p>Personally, I think venture capital is a double edge sword. We bootstrapped our main company and are already branching out into several subsidiary company divisions. If I were an investor I&#39;d never invest in just an idea, even if I thought it was the best business concept I&#39;d ever heard. Sorry, but it&#39;s not ideas or even good business plans that make money and I&#39;d never expect this alone to attract investors. When you talk to seasoned investors they understand something about investing that we who seek funding often miss. I&#39;m still trying to learn it better myself. Most of these investors learned this principle the hard way, principally by investing in ideas that lost them a lot of money. Here is what they tell me: &#8220;Tom, I stopped investing in JUST ideas long ago. Now I invest in the right PEOPLE.&#8221; Ideas don&#39;t run themselves&#8230;they don&#39;t show up on time&#8230;or work late into the night, or find a way to make something work against all odds. People do this…and it’s special people who have already proven out part of their business concepts that attract investors. </p>
<p>Frankly, if a person cannot go on the net and make enough money to bootstrap their own technology ideas then I question if they really know enough about technology to be in the game in the first place. Our company has three mature, technology experienced, owners and each of us have used our tech know-how to make money online (and yes&#8230;through very legitimate processes <img src='http://austinstartup.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . It was this ability that gave us the confidence that we could build something of greater substance and develop a larger tech company worthy of investing our own money&#8230;and eventually worthy of attracting capital from others. One of the questions we get regularly from investors is one I would also ask if I were investing my money: &#8220;How much skin do you have in the game?&#8221; After all, why invest in a company that no one else has invested in? That&#39;s kind of stupid&#8230;isn’t it? </p>
<p>Technology start-ups have a notorious failure rate. There are lots of reasons for this, but it came to a head during the Internet bubble at the beginning of 2000 when investors lost billions and collectively trillions. Since that time investors are more savvy and understand technology concepts much better, and if they don&#39;t they have a list of consultants who can help them. One of the things I did before deciding to seek capital is to read all I could on what investors looked for, on the skills involved in being an angel or VC investor. I had forgotten what should have been obvious: Investing is also a business and all investors want to make money&#8230;and they HATE losing money. Once I understood their mindset better I knew immediately how I could better position my various companies to make them more attractive investments. It was only after I finished this process that I felt comfortable even asking for money. Now I know we will get funded&#8230;and we have several VC firms who have shown more than just a passing interest. </p>
<p>Which brings up a critical point: Because we started our project with our own money and because we spent two years growing, refining our technology, proving out our model, doubling and tripling our sales, we are not DISPARATE. We have much more leverage. We can even turn down an investor if we think they are not a good fit&#8230;as we are looking for more than just money. Most start-ups do not have this advantage. They live hand to mouth and will take a check&#8230;any check&#8230;often giving away total ownership to acquire their funding. We have no intention of doing this. This is one of the great benefits of learning how to grow a company BEFORE you seek additional funding. </p>
<p>We could go to California&#8230;and we might. But we&#39;d rather be part of a new Silicon Valley. We&#39;d rather take another part of the country and throw in our 2 cents in the hopes that perhaps a new center of economic gravity might emerge, one that learns how to ATTRACT a larger investment community. Because I promise you&#8230;if the Austin tech community were to learn how to build out, shoestring, prove its concepts by making money first, and really learn what investors genuinely want&#8230;then perhaps Austin could see more money flow into its town than even Silicon Valley. I know&#8230;that probably seems like a long shot&#8230;but isn&#39;t that what being entrepreneurial is all about? Business is not guesswork. It&#39;s not even a mystery. It works along very objective and well proven paths. What young start-up owner’s need are some old, experienced investors who can sit face to face with them and explain what a dollar is truly worth&#8230;perhaps for the first time. I thought I knew&#8230;but I didn&#39;t&#8230;I had to learn this by going out and earning my way to profitability before I could begin to understand the mind of the investor. Believe me&#8230;this experience has so shaped my life that if I&#39;m ever extremely successful, enough so to perhaps invest in other start-ups&#8230;I will know exactly what to look for. </p>
<p>So&#8230;we are looking at Austin and so far I like what I see. Someone needs to tell me where you all hang out so I can be sure to meet some of you when we visit. </p>
<p>To your success&#8230;</p>
<p>Thomas Rozof</p>
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		<title>By: Oh, Now I remember&#8230; &#171; For The Love Of It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh, Now I remember&#8230; &#171; For The Love Of It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 04:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article and great comment thread on the lack of a serious ecosystem anything remotely like Silicon Valley in Austin. It&#8217;s ok Austin, I still love you. And would rather live within your city limits than [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joshua Baer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are gathering 100 Angel investors from Austin, Houston, Dallas and around the country at the Capital Factory Demo Day next week. This is a fantastic opportunity to meet investors. If you are fundraising for a startup, email me at josh [at] &lt;a href=&quot;http://capitalfactory.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;capitalfactory.com&lt;/a&gt; and I&#039;ll try to make some introductions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are gathering 100 Angel investors from Austin, Houston, Dallas and around the country at the Capital Factory Demo Day next week. This is a fantastic opportunity to meet investors. If you are fundraising for a startup, email me at josh [at] <a href="http://capitalfactory.com" rel="nofollow">capitalfactory.com</a> and I&#39;ll try to make some introductions.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Baer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Baer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t comment on Angellist plans at the time, but I&#039;m happy to share that they are now public and it is in many ways the &quot;list of investors&quot; that some people are looking for. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://angel.co/austin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://angel.co/austin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are backlogged on approving people, so there are actually 14 investors from Austin who have applied so far. I&#039;m talking to everyone I know to try and get more investors on the list.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Angellist was a huge help for us in fundraising for OtherInbox and its also been a great source of dealflow as an investor. I highly recommend it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#39;t comment on Angellist plans at the time, but I&#39;m happy to share that they are now public and it is in many ways the &#8220;list of investors&#8221; that some people are looking for. </p>
<p><a href="http://angel.co/austin" rel="nofollow">http://angel.co/austin</a></p>
<p>They are backlogged on approving people, so there are actually 14 investors from Austin who have applied so far. I&#39;m talking to everyone I know to try and get more investors on the list.</p>
<p>Angellist was a huge help for us in fundraising for OtherInbox and its also been a great source of dealflow as an investor. I highly recommend it!</p>
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		<title>By: Open Coffee Club Austin &#171; Damon Clinkscales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Open Coffee Club Austin &#171; Damon Clinkscales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 04:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent AustinStartup article Wherefore Art Thou, Austin Investors spawned a lot of varied commentary, but not much real understanding about the investor perspective. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Who Are the Next Services Superstars? &#124; AustinStartup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Are the Next Services Superstars? &#124; AustinStartup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussion dovetailed somewhat with the enthusiastic conversation that Carla Thompson generated regarding key components of the Austin entrepreneur ecosystem: investors, entrepreneurs, and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ken Swanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Swanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great discussion regardless of your viewpoint.  Here&#039;s another 2 cents . . .&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why not a &lt;a href=&quot;http://kickstarter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kickstarter.com&lt;/a&gt; site for Austin-based companies?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most high-tech ideas I&#039;ve seen lately are all hat and no cattle.  Business owners don&#039;t want bells and whistles, they want results.  Consumers might be impressed with the latest web gadgets for awhile, but in the end they want results too.  There&#039;s lots of money in not-so-high tech.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reminds me of a line from an old movie:  &quot;They&#039;re pretty, but can they fight?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion regardless of your viewpoint.  Here&#39;s another 2 cents . . .</p>
<p>Why not a <a href="http://kickstarter.com" rel="nofollow">kickstarter.com</a> site for Austin-based companies?</p>
<p>Most high-tech ideas I&#39;ve seen lately are all hat and no cattle.  Business owners don&#39;t want bells and whistles, they want results.  Consumers might be impressed with the latest web gadgets for awhile, but in the end they want results too.  There&#39;s lots of money in not-so-high tech.</p>
<p>Reminds me of a line from an old movie:  &#8220;They&#39;re pretty, but can they fight?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelBurns</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelBurns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without having read any of the other 90-some comments that have been posted, I&#039;ll offer a few tidbits of insight that I think will go a lot way to solving the funding dilemma here in Austin. A copy of this comment will also be posted at The Venturous Objectivist - &lt;a href=&quot;http://venturousobjectivist.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://venturousobjectivist.wordpress.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, with lack of competition comes lack of performance. If investors have the sense that there is no need to compete, entrepreneurs will continue to go elsewhere. Part of this dilemma also stems from there being a lack of a &quot;market&quot; --a place where real dialog and transactions can take place regardless of geographical preferences. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Chances are, in order for that to occur, a new model for attracting investors will have to dispense with the idea of &quot;Austin-only&quot; investors, and move to an online solution to effectively help entrepreneurs in the hand-holding process and get them through the hills and valleys much more quickly and efficiently than going begging as the current model offers. Investors can monopolize too much time, money and effort. An online solution would help level the playing field. This is an idea of mine that I have had for a while, knowing about these same problems elsewhere, that I would like to develop with other interested parties. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part of that equation will also have to include (or exclude) incubators, since they also play a role in all of this. Not to say that we don&#039;t need them, but the fact remains that if they cannot be influential in attracting start-up capital and nurturing entrepreneurs and their ideas, there&#039;s an additional problem that needs fixing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Secondly, Austin may have some cultural issues that have come about due to either arrogance or complacency, or both, that may require some help from either the Austin City Council, Travis County, and/or the State House, to lure more investors (competition) to the region. Alternatively, a new statutory framework to incentivize a new or better way to participate by local investors might be worth considering, so long as it adds more investors and viable startups, instead of deterring them. This would be my last resort as I prefer to keep gov&#039;t out of business. Entrepreneurs do need a voice in these places, so the idea of a board or council to advocate for those interests, with perhaps a paid lobbyist, could be helpful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thirdly, the frustration that has been expressed with the Austin investor community exists elsewhere, so this should underline that this is an issue that should be resolved through market development and increased competition, which further begs for a new way to connect entrepreneurs with investors. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps the most important thing that needs to be said in this dialog is that the notion of relying on local funding may only be a pipe-dream, and that entrepreneurs should not make that a part of their contingency plans with understanding the nature of the way things are right now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lastly, what I don&#039;t agree with is the idea of coalescence or central planning of existing groups. The problem we have is due to lack of competition, so fusing all that we have into one would be a counter-productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without having read any of the other 90-some comments that have been posted, I&#39;ll offer a few tidbits of insight that I think will go a lot way to solving the funding dilemma here in Austin. A copy of this comment will also be posted at The Venturous Objectivist &#8211; <a href="http://venturousobjectivist.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://venturousobjectivist.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>First, with lack of competition comes lack of performance. If investors have the sense that there is no need to compete, entrepreneurs will continue to go elsewhere. Part of this dilemma also stems from there being a lack of a &#8220;market&#8221; &#8211;a place where real dialog and transactions can take place regardless of geographical preferences. </p>
<p>Chances are, in order for that to occur, a new model for attracting investors will have to dispense with the idea of &#8220;Austin-only&#8221; investors, and move to an online solution to effectively help entrepreneurs in the hand-holding process and get them through the hills and valleys much more quickly and efficiently than going begging as the current model offers. Investors can monopolize too much time, money and effort. An online solution would help level the playing field. This is an idea of mine that I have had for a while, knowing about these same problems elsewhere, that I would like to develop with other interested parties. </p>
<p>Part of that equation will also have to include (or exclude) incubators, since they also play a role in all of this. Not to say that we don&#39;t need them, but the fact remains that if they cannot be influential in attracting start-up capital and nurturing entrepreneurs and their ideas, there&#39;s an additional problem that needs fixing. </p>
<p>Secondly, Austin may have some cultural issues that have come about due to either arrogance or complacency, or both, that may require some help from either the Austin City Council, Travis County, and/or the State House, to lure more investors (competition) to the region. Alternatively, a new statutory framework to incentivize a new or better way to participate by local investors might be worth considering, so long as it adds more investors and viable startups, instead of deterring them. This would be my last resort as I prefer to keep gov&#39;t out of business. Entrepreneurs do need a voice in these places, so the idea of a board or council to advocate for those interests, with perhaps a paid lobbyist, could be helpful.</p>
<p>Thirdly, the frustration that has been expressed with the Austin investor community exists elsewhere, so this should underline that this is an issue that should be resolved through market development and increased competition, which further begs for a new way to connect entrepreneurs with investors. </p>
<p>Perhaps the most important thing that needs to be said in this dialog is that the notion of relying on local funding may only be a pipe-dream, and that entrepreneurs should not make that a part of their contingency plans with understanding the nature of the way things are right now.</p>
<p>Lastly, what I don&#39;t agree with is the idea of coalescence or central planning of existing groups. The problem we have is due to lack of competition, so fusing all that we have into one would be a counter-productive.</p>
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